PCOS Unfiltered: Nourish, Heal, Thrive

From Nurse to Nutrition Coach: Reversing Insulin Resistance and Reclaiming Health with Grace Yun (Part 1)

Episode Summary

What happens when a nurse becomes her own patient? In this eye-opening episode of PCOS Unfiltered: Nourish, Heal, Thrive, I sits down with Grace Yun — a nurse and certified nutrition coach — who shares her deeply personal journey of realizing her health was slipping through the cracks, despite working in healthcare. From dizzy spells and sugar crashes to a full awakening about insulin resistance, Grace walks us through the turning point that led her to reverse her symptoms naturally — and why she now helps others do the same. Together, Grace and I break down: The real root causes of insulin resistance Why type 2 diabetes and PCOS are often misunderstood and mislabeled as “lifelong conditions” How traditional healthcare approaches fall short when it comes to healing Practical, empowering steps you can take to reclaim your energy, regulate blood sugar, and reverse symptoms naturally Whether you're facing a diagnosis or just feel like something is “off” in your body, this episode is packed with insight, compassion, and actionable tools to help you get to the root — not just manage the surface.

Episode Notes

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Whether you're facing a diagnosis or just feel like something is “off” in your body, this episode is packed with insight, compassion, and actionable tools to help you get to the root — not just manage the surface.

Episode Transcription

(0:03 - 0:31) Welcome back to PCOS Unfiltered, Nourish, Heal, Thrive, the podcast where we cut through the noise and get real about what it takes to heal from the inside out. I'm your host, Lindsie, and today we're talking about something that affects so many women, whether they realize it or not. My guest is the incredible Grace Yun, a nurse and nutrition coach who went from caring for patients to becoming her own patient when she realized her own blood sugar and health needed serious attention. 

(0:32 - 0:59) Grace didn't just manage her symptoms, she reversed them naturally through powerful lifestyle changes. Today, she's here to share her journey, break down the link between insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and PCOS, and give us practical, doable steps to start reclaiming our health. Whether you've been diagnosed, suspect you might be dealing with insulin resistance, or just want to protect your long-term health, this conversation is going to be eye-opening and empowering. 

(0:59 - 1:19) As a reminder, the content shared here on PCOS Unfiltered is for informational and educational purposes only. The views and opinions expressed by the hosts and guests are not intended to serve as medical advice. Always consult with a qualified healthcare professional before making any changes to your diet, exercise, or treatment plan. 

(1:20 - 1:40) The information shared is based on personal experience and expert interviews and is not a substitute for professional medical guidance. Now, let's jump in. Hello, hello! I am here with Grace, so thankful to have her here. 

(1:40 - 2:04) She has a very powerful story, so let's kind of just jump on in. So Grace, you were working as a nurse, helping patients every day, but you started realizing that some of the things that you were saying for yourself needed a closer look. So can you kind of tell us your story a little bit and that moment of like realization that you had? Right. 

(2:04 - 2:19) First of all, thank you, Lindsay, for having me here. It's really a pleasure to be here and to share a little bit about my story and what brought me here. But yes, so I still work as a nurse, but my main focus is on nutrition. 

(2:19 - 2:36) I've always loved nutrition. So I thought I knew, I thought I knew it all. I thought I knew how to be healthy, right? I'm a nurse, right? So, but actually it was my co-workers, especially back, I would say pre-COVID, COVID, because it got really heavy. 

(2:36 - 2:49) During that time, they would often come to me and say, wow, are you okay? You look so pale. And in my mind, I'm just thinking, huh, like I'm Asian, right? I am pale. But, you know, this is across the seasons. 

(2:50 - 3:07) I get tanned and stuff, but yet they said a lot of that kind of stuff to me. And I mean, it wasn't just one person, it was many. So I had to kind of take their feedback and try to not analyze it too much, but just receive it and then keep track of it. 

(3:07 - 3:39) And so I noticed that they would say that a lot. And at the same time, I noticed things like, hey, I do feel a little lightheaded, you know, okay, put a cool cloth on my head and that kind of stuff to make me feel better. And so that was, if it wasn't for them, then I probably wouldn't have picked up on anything really because, you know, it's life, right? We get all, we get, I think we just get really busy and we don't really pick up on these small things. 

(3:39 - 4:14) So the pale part of it really got to me and it kind of bothered me. And then through that time, I noticed I picked up some patterns that when I was pale and I was lightheaded, I would, I would kind of behave like someone who was addicted to something that that style of, I need to have my sugar, I need to have a quick cold ice cap. And then I would be, I got my hit and then I would be a happy person again, right? We can get along. 

(4:14 - 4:34) I could be better to my patients, have patience for them. And so that associated behavior really got me a bit scared to how, how can I, how do I act like this? Why do I act like this? So that was my moment. Yeah. 

(4:34 - 4:47) Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you said a lot of good stuff there cause you know, same thing when I was working as a nurse and I feel like especially nurses, you know, moms, caregivers, you're just constantly taking care of everybody else. 

(4:47 - 5:01) You just kind of have that, you know, that nature. And so you, you don't stop and realize what's actually happening to you. And so it definitely sounds like, yeah, it took somebody else, you know, to kind of say something. 

(5:01 - 5:17) And then that, that whole like low blood sugar hunger, um, like I know I've talked about with my clients, you, what you kind of get, you get hangry, hangry is a thing. I know I used to get as a nurse too. And um, you can go into some dark places sometimes too with that. (5:18 - 5:22) Definitely. So the warning signs were definitely there. So yeah. 

(5:22 - 5:47) So how did you feel to be in the healthcare field then and just suddenly realize that you need to apply your own advice to yourself now? I know at the very beginning, I didn't think it was a blood sugar problem. So for me it was more because I was busy. The workload was heavy, um, 12 hours in the hospital and then coming home, um, to take care of kids there. 

(5:47 - 6:02) And you know, it's, it's not a blood sugar problem. I'm just energy drained because of all the things that I had to do. Um, and then surprisingly, you know, I thought I was healthy and, you know, like, I didn't think that there was a problem. 

(6:02 - 6:38) It was just, let me just balance and decrease my workload and then, you know, it's just external things, but yeah, um, the application of applying, um, certain advice, healthcare advice, I had to sort through that and say, okay, well, what I've learned already isn't working. So I had to kind of go deeper, um, and explore a little bit more about other areas in health that I could reach into and access. And then, um, so growing up, I always had this thing about nutrition. 

(6:38 - 7:00) It has power, food has power in healing. So I went back to that and I started to research and learn more, take more courses, become certified as a nutrition coach as well. And then that, at that time, that's when I could apply that, um, information to help in my, my change in my habit, change in all that stuff. 

(7:01 - 7:03) Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's awesome. 

(7:03 - 7:30) I mean, that's a, yeah, great compliment for sure to like, I wish I would have known back then what I know now for sure, you know, to help, help patients more, um, and just working those long hours and you're just kinda, yeah, go, go, go. Um, not even really thinking about it. And you know, at that time I didn't think I was eating that much sugar because my colleagues too were drinking their pop. 

(7:30 - 7:46) Right. And, um, there are physicians too, had gummies beside them for energy, right? They said exactly energy. And, and that's when it didn't click to, I'm like, yeah, but there's other sources of energy. 

(7:46 - 8:05) Isn't there that won't require us eating so much of it. Right. So that, that was a, yeah, I think the other thing is too, like a lot of times, you know, we associate something like that maybe with being overweight, you know, or weight issues can accompany that too. 

(8:05 - 8:28) And so that might even be the, you know, part of it is like, yeah, I mean, I, myself, same thing. Like I never really had a big weight issue, but my health was suffering for sure. Um, so I think sometimes that can get overlooked too, you know, not, not just by looking at a person, you know, unfortunately, but there's still a lot more going on there. 

(8:30 - 8:52) So yeah. So what made you just, you know, you said nutrition, you kind of went back and then what made you decide to really apply just that holistic, natural nutrition-based, you know, lifestyle rather than just kind of maybe saying, oh, you know, that'll be fine. You know, maybe I'll, maybe I'll take some meds one day when it gets bad. 

(8:53 - 9:11) I really think it's because I didn't see, um, the people coming into the hospitals always came back. Right. Um, whether, either were, whether they were at the intensive care, critical care side, or just on the regular floors, we would still see that, that they had come out. 

(9:12 - 9:53) So if we are, if we are truly a healthcare system, a healthcare promoting system, then they should be able to sustain their health at home, not in the hospital wall, not even just taking trips to the, their doctor's office and thinking that they're going to get that magic health pill there and then be healthy at home because it never transpires that way. Um, so that disconnect just made me realize that I, um, no, that wasn't working for me. And actually as before I started in nursing, that is what I always imagined that, Hey, everyone's going to come in, get better. 

(9:53 - 9:57) And then everyone leaves. That's true. Yeah. 

(9:57 - 10:03) Yeah. This is my, this is my thing. And when we get there, it's all about follow the protocols. 

(10:03 - 10:39) You do what we say that in this situation, treat this person this way. And then if something happens where, you know, they fall out of those, um, boundaries or that category, then you call the doctor and we'll figure something out there, but it had to always follow something. But these are individual people coming in with different individual health needs and circumstances that brought them here, but we're treating everybody with this one way, right? So it was that little rebel in me that I couldn't, it wouldn't come out, right. 

(10:39 - 10:46) It just, that's, that's what I was feeling inside. So I knew that there had to be something. Yeah. 

(10:46 - 10:51) Yeah. I mean, yeah, we're in the same boat. I mean, the ER, we, we were on a first name basis with some patients sometimes. 

(10:51 - 11:23) I mean, it was, you know, it was crazy cause they just, and the thing is they would come in and we would do all the same tests again and, you know, give them some meds to make them feel better and then send them on their way and then they'd be back again. Um, yeah, I mean, in the healthcare system isn't, isn't truly set, you know, doesn't truly set you up to, to be healthy, you know, in that sense. I mean, yeah, it's like it serves its purpose, but I think, you know, you and I both know there's still a lot more that needs to happen along with that. 

(11:24 - 12:03) Um, and so were there any myths or misconceptions that you had to kind of unlearn about insulin resistance, maybe type two diabetes, um, as you were a nurse and kind of a patient, your own patient at that time? Yeah. So, because my focus is on, uh, people who have type two diabetes and who, um, have that uncontrolled balance of blood sugars, uh, blood glucose, if we're technically correct, blood glucose in their blood. So, um, there were, the biggest one was to, was that you can actually reverse type two diabetes. 

(12:03 - 12:30) You can reverse insulin resistance. Everyone, even my own colleagues, um, when they asked about, uh, when I started out in this nutrition coaching field, they're like, can you, can you reverse type two diabetes? And as a fellow nurse, I said, yes, do it like not, not out of judgment, but out of shock and surprise that we, this is what we think too. And that's how we were trained. 

(12:30 - 12:58) And, um, so the more you go deeper into it, you realize, Hey, you can reverse type two diabetes. Um, of course, if you've gone far long enough where other organs have been damaged, that's a different story. But if you've been diagnosed that, um, recently, then you're able to, if you make that commitment and, um, just changing in the way that we approach the management, again, I don't like the word management. 

(12:58 - 13:15) And so that's another thing that I had to change. I don't like let's manage type two diabetes, know who wants to do that when you can actually reverse it. So when we change the way we think about how we can approach a condition, manage type two diabetes. 

(13:15 - 13:22) Okay. Then that's, that's what you'll do. But if you want to reverse it, then you'll do the steps that are needed to reverse it. 

(13:23 - 13:39) So that was one thing. And then the second one was, uh, that you need insulin. So this is where PCOS will come into, and we talk a little bit, I guess, uh, deeper into it, but type two, that in type two diabetes, you don't need any more insulin. 

(13:39 - 14:07) There's already enough, there's so much in there. So just tackling that, um, that notion that you're going to need it later because you know, the meds are just going to take you so far, then what's the point of taking them? Um, but, um, that we're not, we, we shouldn't be treating type two diabetes as type one diabetes where you think, um, like type one diabetes, they don't have enough, they don't produce enough. It's something physically in their body. 

(14:07 - 14:24) They don't have it so that they need it, but in type two diabetes, they do. So once we understand that, then the approach is different. Um, you don't want to overload the body with more and anything like our bodies want that balance. 

(14:24 - 14:31) Anything more is always going to tip. Anything less is going to tip too. So we always want to try to get that balance in. 

(14:31 - 14:40) And so that's why when we listen to our bodies, that's how we'll know if we're in balance. Yeah. That, I mean, that's both great, great points for sure. 

(14:40 - 15:38) I mean, I think especially that first one was very powerful and that's, that's why part of why I wanted you on because you know, whether it is diabetes or PCOS, which a lot of the times is rooted in insulin resistance, um, it can be reversed or at least, you know, like you said, you know, yeah, maybe even if you are to a point where you have some organ damage and stuff, like you can still improve your quality of life, probably to a certain extent, you may not be able to heal completely or, you know, reverse it. Um, but I liked that too. And also, uh, I know I've talked about this in other podcast episodes as well, but when the doctor hands you that diagnosis typically, and they say, we'll manage it, or it's a lifelong condition, it's already kind of setting you up for failure because, you know, you're just thinking, I'm just stuck with this now, like, this is going to be my life and I'm going to have to see the doctor and I'm going to have to take these medications. 

(15:38 - 15:53) And you know, so if you start, yeah, thinking right off hand, okay, I can handle this. I can actually like overcome this and starting with that mindset, even, I think that can, yeah, take you really far. So that's a great point. 

(15:54 - 16:13) Um, so the term insulin resistance, I know I've talked about it on my, on my podcast number of times, it always gets woven in. Um, but still, I think it's still great to hear, you know, from you. So it still is great to hear a few times because it's not fully understood. 

(16:13 - 16:37) Uh, so how would you explain it in simple terms? I would just say there's too much insulin, too much insulin. Um, and that is when we, that's when the problem occurs. So, um, I just want to say that insulin has like many, many roles in our body. 

(16:37 - 16:57) So one role that it is really known for is the blood glucose management. Um, there you go again, levels regulation of what we do with all that energy that comes in and how it's distributed. That's what it's really, it's known for, but it's also a hormone and a protein. 

(16:57 - 17:33) But the, but aside from that, the hormone signaling like our bodies have almost all of our cells in our bodies have a receptor for that insulin. Anytime there's so much of those insulin signals going out, it depends on that person, right? Um, which body is going to, like, if there's a weaker area in a, in someone's body that is being affected by it more, that's what you're going to see with the impact of high insulin. So with your, with, um, PCOS, it's going to affect the ovaries more because they have those receptors too. 

(17:33 - 17:48) But there's so much of that signaling going on where you're going to be, okay, it's getting so stimulated. So that is going to be an effect of high insulin. People with diabetes, it's about the glucose. 

(17:48 - 18:02) There's so much of that, um, in like coming in, uh, the food, the sugar, the, the wheat, all that stuff. There's, and it's not just food. Of course, a big part of it is there's other factors as well. 

(18:02 - 18:24) Like chronic stress, sedentary lifestyle, which we'll talk about too, um, eventually. Um, but I also think that once, when our body has a weak spot, that insulin, those levels of insulin will show. Um, so yeah, that's too much insulin in a weak area of the body. 

(18:24 - 18:40) Then that's where that show itself. And unfortunately, traditional healthcare, they're not checking insulin levels, um, regularly. It's always the fasting glucose and an a one C and that's where, yeah, like you said, you know, high insulin levels. 

(18:41 - 18:50) So that could be right there. Like that's, that should be considered really pre-diabetes, you know, right there. Um, but that means that your body is compensating. 

(18:50 - 19:08) So yeah, your glucose and your a one C are going to be fine until they're not because that insulin has been compensating. And then eventually it's gonna throw its hands up. So I actually asked, uh, he's an endocrinologist, a family member had, had been seeing him. 

(19:08 - 19:27) And so I asked about the, can we test for insulin? And he goes, why he goes, it's, it's all relative. Right. And I said, but isn't that the same thing with, you know, other blood tests that you do across a, whenever you take it one point in one point in time in your life, what if you're really, really stressed or what if you really, really weren't right. 

(19:28 - 19:50) It, it's just a snapshot. I'm like, but you know, if you use properly, um, and if the physician or whoever's tracking can really, um, make that testing available and suitable for that person, just, I think it will, it will, it will kind of shock the nation. I think because a lot of us will have high insulin levels. 

(19:50 - 20:06) Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, it may be a snapshot, but a lot of, a lot of us, you know, that, that get to that point are dealing with chronic stress and that can be from foods, from lifestyle, from relationships, from environment. 

(20:06 - 20:19) I mean, you know, all those things. So more than likely, even though, even though it is a snapshot in time, because it's probably a chronic thing at that point, um, then it's going to be elevated. Yeah. 

(20:20 - 20:39) And I know I've, I've even heard kind of mixed with like optimal levels, definitely above 10 is cause for concern. I've heard optimals below seven. So I think that's the other thing too, is that they kind of don't fully understand like what, you know, what a normal level even might be. 

(20:39 - 20:43) Um, yeah. I've heard even six. Yeah. 

(20:44 - 20:47) No, but that, yeah, that's pretty. Exactly. Yeah. 

(20:47 - 21:05) There's, there's some varying things out there. Um, I think 10 is kind of like definitely the cutoff of like, but I know, I know like for me, my brain, for like my personal story and probably for you, like, I want to know like root cause though too. And I feel like that really, and, and then get myself to those optimal levels. 

(21:06 - 21:27) I didn't pay attention to insulin when I first started my health journey, like five plus years ago, it was elevated when I first, like I, like. Now I test it and I'm fine. I didn't even really realize what it like, why we were testing it, but it was, it was elevated when I first started working with my doctor. 

(21:28 - 21:53) Um, so it's definitely a great, you know, a great indicator as to what's going on for sure. Um, and so would you say then that insulin resistance is at the root of, um, type two diabetes? And then, I mean, for me, I say a lot of the times, yes, for PCOS, but yeah, I think it is at the root. Of course, um, there is high blood sugar. 

(21:54 - 22:13) Um, and we will, but the thing for me is that in type two diabetes, we are very glucose centric. Treat the glucose, what has happened after. Um, and I get it like a lot of the, the steps and interventions to lowering glucose can help with insulin as well. 

(22:13 - 22:40) Um, some of it, but if we can just shift to a more insulin centric, um, um, way of dealing and approaching type two diabetes, I think it will be more effective. And people will understand, um, all of the elements that come together to help, um, lower the insulin, which will lower the glucose. Cause then you're trying to approach it two different ways. 

(22:40 - 22:56) You're trying to approach it for the sugar level. And then you have another insulin thing that you have to deal with. And I think, um, um, we tend to think of insulin when we think of insulin resistance. 

(22:56 - 23:18) Oh, the body is to blame cause they're resisting insulin. But then once we understand that, Hey, it's because there's too much of the insulin. Now it's an insulin problem, right? I think, um, we kind of, if we can get that straight and simply said too much insulin will cause the resistance. 

(23:18 - 23:34) It's like, I don't want to, I don't want to say it in a negative way, but like as a parent, if I'm continually, um, go to my kids and say, pick this up, pick this up, pick your socks up or pick this up. Right. It's like, well, it's keeps going up higher and higher. 

(23:34 - 23:45) And, um, yeah, it's just something to picture, but it's not like insulin is doing that on purpose. It's because it's receiving inputs to do it too. Exactly. 

(23:45 - 23:51) So let's reset those inputs, the signals and help our bodies. Right. Yeah. 

(23:52 - 23:53) Yeah. That's an excellent point. Yeah. 

(23:53 - 24:01) I totally agree. Focus on that. The insulin, if we can start shifting that mindset, um, that'd be amazing. 

(24:01 - 24:33) And then if I could just clear, like clarify for type two diabetes, that, um, it's the, I, I approached type two diabetes as a overflow problem where there's, there's too much of that glucose coming in, like from our food, right. So that it's our body. Um, the insulin is being pumped out by the pancreas and it's saying, okay, let's, let's move these, let's move the glucose because, um, our blood needs to be in balance and we need to do things with this extra sugar. 

(24:33 - 24:58) So it's being put away either in the muscle cells or that's the largest reserve. So that's why like muscle is great to have, um, and to exercise, um, and then it will maybe shift over to the liver. And then from there, um, it, if there's too much more insulin and eventually store the extra sugar as fat, that's the role of insulin to fat storage. 

(24:58 - 25:29) Um, but when it comes to type two diabetes, the muscle cells that are receiving all that glucose energy is they're already full and they're saying, you know, we want to accept more, but we have no more room. And so that's why the pancreas keeps sending out the insulin, increasing that insulin level, but the muscle cells are trying to protect themselves and say, but we still can't, otherwise we're going to malfunction. There's, we're going to create more inflammation and there's going to be problems. 

(25:30 - 25:47) And that's what insulin does. You keep pushing out those insulin drivers and then, and then the cells eventually, you know, get tired and they wear out as well. So, um, the cells are also trying to protect themselves is what I'm trying to get at type two diabetes. 

(25:47 - 26:00) So, you know, insulin is great because it's a growth hormone too. We need it as we grow. Um, but the same, and at the same time, we still also need to just make sure the levels are balanced. 

(26:00 - 26:02) Yeah. Yeah. Great point for sure. 

(26:03 - 26:21) Um, you already kind of just hit on this a little bit. So for our listeners, what are some signs that they might be struggling with insulin resistance? Um, I mean, yeah, whether, whether or not they've been diagnosed with diabetes, but there's definitely some of those warning signs. Right. 

(26:21 - 26:42) Um, the first one would be, it's, it is that waist circumference where you're like struggling with the belly weight. Like sometimes in the mornings I would be like, where did this come from? Right. Like, what's this? I'm like, Oh, haven't I been eating well? Like, but again, you know, our cycles are in, in play here, right. 

(26:42 - 26:47) Our everything is in place. So, um, yeah. Belly fat that just won't budge. 

(26:47 - 27:06) Right. Is one that, so that waist circumference size becoming a lot larger than your hip circumference size, big thing, um, blood pressure. I would say if you have high blood pressure, um, that is also something, uh, that is strongly associated with insulin resistance. 

(27:06 - 27:11) And you can also feel it if you have a lot of headaches because of that high blood pressure. Right. Yeah. 

(27:12 - 27:25) Skin tags and like dark patches of skin, like around the neck or the, um, armpits. Those are also strongly associated. Then, um, irregular cycles is part of that. 

(27:25 - 27:40) I'm always feeling hungry and thirsty thinning hair. And, um, acne is also one adult acne. I would also say from a nursing perspective, uh, when it comes to our resting heart rate. 

(27:40 - 27:55) So our resting heart rate is about in the sixties. So if you count right, um, how many beats per minute. It, our resting heart rate ideally is 60 to 70, right? To 80, maybe not 80, 60, 70. 

(27:55 - 28:11) If you're lower, you're probably an elite athlete, but if you're resting and your heart rate is above 80, then you know, that you're in stress. You're in stress mode. I would say, uh, resting heart rate. 

(28:11 - 28:37) A lot of people wear those watches these days and you can easily access what it is. That is a sign that you don't even have to really, um, go to the doctor for you could do it on your own. Um, and then for me, it would also be, um, during wake during like 2 AM to 4 AM, if I were to wake up, I'm like, Oh, why am I waking up? No, I would say there's an insulin problem there because we need to be sleeping during those times. 

(28:37 - 28:54) That's our deep restorative rest that we need to have for restoration and rebuilding and repairing. So, um, waking up during those hours are, is a sign for me for that, uh, imbalance between insulin and your stress hormone, like cortisol. That's what I was going to say. (28:54 - 28:57) Yeah. I see some adrenal going on there. Yeah. 

(29:00 - 29:04) I think that go ahead. Okay. Okay. 

(29:04 - 29:22) I wanted to say, um, the one big chronic stressor though, too, that I also noticed, um, is this and the studies do show, uh, is the emotion of repressed anger. That is a chronic stressor in our bodies within, and you can hide from people too. Right. 

(29:22 - 29:36) So that is something that we need to do more of a deeper reflection on like that hidden anger that will actually cause that chronic inflammation, which will also increase our insulin levels. Yeah. Yeah. 

(29:37 - 29:42) Yeah. Internalizing a lot of stuff. For sure. 

(29:42 - 30:03) Um, and that's where, you know, breathing and meditation and, you know, maybe some journaling and yeah, getting that out and some productive form is a great way, even just taking a couple of minutes here and there to do that for sure. Um, but I know going back to those symptoms, I know energy, I feel like is, is one of the biggest things you even said it for yourself. Yeah. 

(30:04 - 30:28) And, and then it's, it's a vicious cycle because like you said, you're up at like, you know, between those optimal hours when you should be sleeping, um, and then you need caffeine to get you through the day. And it just kind of like, you know, continues from there. But I know one of the biggest things, as I talked to a lot of clients, it's, I feel like a lot of it goes back to energy and the, the lack of it. 

(30:28 - 30:53) Um, and then as well, as you said, like with the belly fat too, especially you feel like you've tried everything, you know, working out. And sometimes those, those high intensity workouts and working out every day can just add more to it, unfortunately, adding to that stress. But yeah, when you feel like you've tried everything to, to fix that and nothing's working, that's definitely a big indicator as well. 

(30:53 - 31:05) Yeah. And if you're also snacking every hour, guilty. So just, uh, you know, that's doing what the granola bars, right. 

(31:05 - 31:08) Yeah. Everyone trying to be a super woman. Yeah. 

(31:08 - 31:12) That role on granola bars. Yeah. That doesn't work. 

(31:13 - 31:26) Yeah. And I tried getting like the healthier version, but no, they were still weren't any better. Grace's story is such a powerful reminder that we're never stuck with the health we have today. 

(31:26 - 31:48) And that real lasting change is possible when we address the root cause, not just the symptoms. From her journey as a nurse, facing her own diagnosis to helping her clients reverse type two diabetes, naturally Grace shows us what's possible when knowledge meets action. If you want to connect with Grace and learn more about her work, check out the links in the show notes. 

(31:48 - 32:01) And if today's conversation resonated with you share this episode with a friend or family member who needs to hear it. You never know whose life it could change until next time. Remember your body is capable of healing. 

(32:01 - 32:06) You are worthy of thriving and it's never too late to write a new chapter for your health.