PCOS Unfiltered: Nourish, Heal, Thrive

#128- Why You Keep Struggling to Change | Nervous System, Trauma & Your Body

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What if the reason you keep feeling stuck isn’t because you need more discipline, willpower, or another plan—but because there’s something deeper your body has been carrying? In this episode of PCOS Unfiltered: Nourish, Heal, Thrive, I sit down with women’s wellness and empowerment coach Ramona Kossowan to explore the connection between the nervous system, trauma, body image, food, movement, self-worth, and lasting change. Ramona shares why she believes unresolved experiences and emotional patterns can influence the way we show up in our health and our lives and why creating a sense of safety in the body is such an important part of her work. We talk about moving away from shame, judgment, pushing, and white-knuckling and toward curiosity, gentleness, and learning to listen to what your body may actually need. We also get into something so many women struggle with: the number on the scale. Ramona and I talk about why weight doesn't tell the whole story, how strength and body composition can change without the scale moving, and why constantly measuring your success by a number can distract you from the progress that's happening elsewhere. And for women navigating midlife, perimenopause, menopause, or another major life transition, we talk about why this season may be an opportunity to stop tolerating what no longer serves you, reconnect with yourself, create new boundaries, and decide who you want to become next.

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(0:00) I find that getting underneath that and releasing it in an embodied way so that it feels complete (0:06) and you just kind of go, oh, that burden's lifted off of me, and your eyes open because your brain (0:12) works differently when it's not being hijacked by trauma. You see things differently. The meaning (0:20) of your experiences changes for you, and that changes you seeing opportunities for yourself, (0:27) seeing your worth.Welcome back to PCOS Unfiltered. I'm your host, Lindsay, (0:36) nurse-turned-health coach, two-time author, and your body wisdom guide. Here, I help you (0:41) understand the messages behind your symptoms so you can stop fighting your body and start working (0:45) with it.Before we jump into today's episode, I want to invite you to join us inside the Healthy (0:50) Ever After community. It's where this podcast comes to life with weekly body wisdom tips, (0:56) recipes, exclusive resources, conversations with women on the same journey, (1:00) and monthly challenges with fun giveaways. And actually, let's make this really easy.So stop (1:05) what you're doing, send me the word body on Instagram, and I'll send you the link to join (1:10) the community. But I also want to know what you want to hear more about. Tell me what you're (1:15) struggling with, what questions you have, or what you'd love for me to cover on an upcoming episode.(1:20) I want this podcast to feel like a conversation, not just me talking to you every week. Today's (1:27) guest is Ramona Casawan, a women's wellness and empowerment coach who helps women who feel (1:33) exhausted, stuck in survival mode, or disconnected from their bodies. Through nervous system healing, (1:40) gentle trauma release, mindful eating, and strength training, Ramona helps women uncover (1:44) and release some of the deeper patterns their bodies have been carrying for years.Her work is (1:49) about helping women feel safer, stronger, and more connected to themselves so they can finally (1:54) stop fighting their bodies and start working with them. As always, this podcast is intended (1:59) for educational and informational purposes only, and should not be considered medical advice. (2:04) Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your diet, exercise, (2:08) or treatment plan.Now go ahead, grab your favorite beverage, maybe get comfortable, (2:14) grab something to take some notes, and let's dive in. Here's my conversation with Ramona Casawan. (2:27) Hello and welcome back to the show and welcome to Ramona.I'm so happy to have you here and can't (2:35) wait to just dive in. So let's start by you telling us, you know, who you are, what you do, (2:46) and why you do what you do. Thank you for having me.I'm, as my overarching theme, I'm a women's (2:54) empowerment coach, and I have kind of specialized modalities to help women get there. So I (3:00) specialize in the gentle trauma release method, fitness, and food relationship coaching. So those (3:07) are all tools that I help women to basically just, on a deep level, revitalize and fall in love with (3:13) themselves again, and feel quite often better than they thought possible in less time than they (3:20) expected.Yeah, and what kind of got you into that work? Well, it was just layer upon layer of (3:29) evolving. So me evolving as a person through life stages and opportunities that opened up in front (3:35) of me. So I initially followed my mother's footsteps in herbal wellness because I loved (3:42) what she did with her business, how she changed lives and empowered our family.And then I realized (3:49) that wasn't really like the end point where I wanted to stay. So along the way, there was (3:56) holistic weight loss coaching, adding in fitness certifications, and then empowerment coaching. And (4:03) then I just, I was really shifting more towards getting underneath things more.Because for me, (4:10) as a person, like what drives and energizes me in my work is getting underneath a problem and (4:14) solving a problem. If I can't have a lasting impact, I don't enjoy my work. So it was really, (4:22) okay, well, what's underneath that women keep giving up on themselves, they keep going in this (4:25) vicious loop, or just hitting a ceiling.And it was usually emotions, right? It wasn't that they (4:32) weren't capable of something, it's just the emotions. So when the opportunity opened up (4:38) to explore the gentle trauma release method, this is when it was fairly new as a training, (4:45) it really spoke to me to be able to get underneath and work with the body in a way that's like (4:51) really accessible to me as a coach and really accessible to the client and have these shifts (4:57) that just open up, everything opens up, and it stops being such a struggle all the time. So (5:04) it was kind of meeting with the right mentors and opportunities at the right times when I was (5:09) kind of ready to see it.Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I love this topic because this is, (5:17) you know, it's also why I do what I do as well.When my husband and I owned the gym, (5:23) you know, I was like, always saying, I was like, what's missing here? Like, I just always felt (5:28) like there was something, you know, deeper. And even, of course, too, when I was a nurse, I was (5:32) like, what's below the surface here, right? Like we were just treating, you know, surface level (5:38) symptoms, but there, I always felt like there was just something deeper happening. And, and, (5:45) yeah, so I love, I love this topic.So what do you find as, you know, kind of the most (5:52) thing that's often overlooked when women are having issues, you know, physically, mentally, (5:59) you know, emotionally, you know, with their health? Well, there's, of course, nuances, (6:05) but what I come across quite often is we're not considering the nervous system (6:11) and the role that trauma is playing in it. So it's easy, like I did myself, to just (6:21) minimize how my experiences up until now were affecting me. But unfortunately, our unconscious (6:28) nervous system is incredibly powerful, and it will override every attempt we make to build (6:33) a life of our dreams if it feels safer to stay a certain way and function a certain way.So that, (6:40) I find that trauma is, you know, having done this work for over five years now, (6:45) it doesn't need to be always what we think is the most obvious things. It often is, and we (6:52) even minimalize that. But it's about how is your unconscious nervous system driving the bus, (6:58) right? So if you keep going in circles, or your inner critic is just ridiculous all the time, and (7:06) ourselves, like all of our body systems are very much impacted by an unresolved distress.(7:13) And I'm not talking about just stress, right? It's just what is your body bracing for (7:19) that is not resolved to your unconscious, regardless of how much time has passed. (7:25) And I find when we can look at that with curiosity and release it in a bodily way that (7:29) it feels complete, it changes everything, and it opens the door for a whole bunch of symptoms to (7:36) just resolve themselves, just resolve, or greatly minimize so that you can deal with what's left. (7:46) Yeah.This, I mean, for any listeners out there that are, you know, maybe if they're first-time (7:52) listeners or long-time listeners of the show, this topic comes up so, so much. You know, (8:01) it's like it always circles back to the nervous system, right? And it does. It gets overlooked, (8:09) you know, so much.So, I mean, so recently PCOS got a name change, you know, to PMOS. (8:17) And I feel like it's because, you know, the medical community is starting to realize there's (8:23) something deeper going on there, right? Yes, there's the metabolic component, but I think, (8:29) like, they're realizing the role of stress and lifestyle habits and how all of that is (8:35) playing a role in that. Yeah.What are some pillars of wellness that you consider, (8:46) you know, game-changing? And this could be regardless of, you know, age, you know, goals, (8:52) like whatever it might be. Well, I consider myself and the journey I've gone through, (8:59) and a lot of my clients are in perimenopause or postmenopause. And this is, I find it an (9:07) invitation to tune into your body much differently.But for me, it's resolving trauma enough (9:17) that you can breathe, you can think, you can see your next steps, you like yourself, (9:24) you have boundaries, right? Those are just, like, to me, like, game-changing. And I also like to (9:30) look at, okay, what is your relationship with your body and food, okay? So, we can't be our (9:37) most empowered selves, take up space, build the life that feels juicy and inviting and our own (9:44) when we are obsessing with our body flaws, working out only to lose weight or look a certain way, (9:54) and thinking about food like it's our full-time job, right? So, those are all things I like to (10:00) address because your powerful, beautiful self does not need to be entangled up with all of that noise. (10:09) Yeah.I mean, and tell me if you see it, but, you know, I have so many of my clients that they (10:14) focus so much on the scale, right? When we should be focusing on, you know, how we're feeling in (10:20) our clothes, our energy, you know, some aches and pains that we've had for years are maybe, (10:27) you know, going away or gone, or those stomach problems that, again, they've had for years are (10:33) getting better, you know, whatever it might be, right? I know, like, for me, I was just having (10:36) this conversation the other day because I probably weigh the most I have, but I'm, like, (10:42) the strongest, you know, I've ever been. Like, I can do push-ups like I've never been able to do, (10:48) right? You know, that's a huge accomplishment. And my clothes still fit the same, you know, (10:53) I don't notice any differences there.So, it's like, yeah, but we as women, I think we're taught (11:00) or, you know, we're just focused so much on that number on the scale. And some of that's probably (11:05) back to the diet culture of, you know, Weight Watchers and some of those from back in the day (11:12) when you would, like, have your weigh-ins and all of that stuff, too. So, do you see a lot of that (11:17) with your clients as well and overcoming that? Yeah, I like to have a good-natured conversation (11:23) with newer clients.How often are you weighing yourself? It's like, okay, I'm gonna need you (11:28) to stop doing that or give me your scale. Give it to me, right? One of the two, or get your husband (11:33) to hide it. We're stopping that.For one, the scale doesn't tell you, like you said. Like, (11:40) being transparent, do I miss my body from 15 years ago? Yes, I do. However, I don't want to (11:49) try to be the size I was 15 years ago.My body's changed, but also I wasn't lifting weights like (11:56) I am now. So, I want to be shapely and strong. I don't want to try to be a size.(12:03) I've probably gone two years without weighing myself, other than when I had to go up some (12:09) ride up a mountain to weigh myself. I'm like, yeah, that's about what I thought. Don't show (12:13) that to anybody.So, it does not tell you the story, and a scale is a tool. So, if you like (12:23) to kind of keep an eye, so that if you're getting kind of a little sloppy with eating long-term, (12:30) okay, I need to come back to what I know is benefiting my health, but it is simply a tool. (12:36) So, if we use that as a tool for self-punishment, it needs to go.It needs to go, right? (12:45) It's our vitality and longevity and power and being able to actually live our lives (12:49) over 50, over 60, even over 40. Like, 40 is pretty young, but we must be powerful. (12:56) We can't be focused on the scale.(13:01) No. It can be so discouraging, and I mean, and what I tell my clients, too, is that it can (13:05) actually increase those stress hormones, right? When you see that number, especially when you (13:10) think you're working so hard, and you're seeing that number, and again, because you're not (13:16) focusing on all the other good things happening, but you see the number isn't moving, even though (13:20) you're putting in all this hard work, and then your body gets stressed even more, and that's (13:25) preventing you from either losing weight or achieving whatever other goals that you're (13:32) wanting. So, yeah.(13:34) I like to play the long game. Change takes time. So, if you're going to recomp, which is, as you (13:40) don't know, reduce your body fat and increase your muscle mass, you might stay the same weight or (13:44) increase, but your shape changes and shifts, and you're literally building the fountain of youth (13:50) in your body.You won't necessarily see that reflected in the scale. So, (13:57) I find for a lot of women, because I used to coach that holistic weight loss program, (14:01) which was quite good, but for some women, it caused them to spiral. So, they'd work out twice (14:06) a day.Well, if one protein shake is good, maybe I'll have four, right? It just caused this (14:12) compulsion and sabotage. So, if we threw the scale out of the window and just focused on the wins of (14:18) what you're doing, it takes the noise out of it. (14:23) Yeah.So, as you mentioned, your body has changed. Your journey has changed. So, (14:30) how has your coaching evolved along with that, along with your own journey? (14:35) Well, I still do help women with their fitness and their body goals as part of my work, (14:41) but I like to think of it as a piece of the puzzle.(14:46) Thinking about identity, like, who are you becoming in this, right? And because a lot of (14:52) women I connect with are in midlife, like me, the old ways are not working for you anymore. (14:58) Not just what you're doing with your body, but how you're existing in your life, and it's just (15:03) like this wake-up call. So, I like to think of, okay, how are we helping you to feel powerful (15:09) mentally, emotionally, and physically? And I find focusing on weight loss as the big thing (15:17) does not really support that for most of the women that I connect with and myself, (15:25) because then it's failure if you don't achieve that thing.And if you fail, well, then you may (15:30) as well go to, you know, inhale those Oreos and stop working out, and I give up. Well, (15:38) how is that helping, right? So, let's not do that. (15:42) Yeah, yeah, I see that, too.It's kind of that all-or-nothing, you know, mentality, right? Like, (15:48) yeah, yeah. Each day you have to do a little something, at least. (15:54) And I think also it's important to notice the season of your life.So, you know, if you're (15:59) postpartum, you're sure not going to have big ambitious goals, okay? Honor your capacity. If (16:06) you're caring for an aging loved one, if you're in the middle of a marriage problems, or a divorce, (16:11) or separation, or your child is off course, this isn't the time to beat yourself up. We want to (16:19) consider where you're at with your capacity, and always centering yourself as a priority of how (16:26) you're going to care for yourself, and what makes sense at that time.Never just foregoing (16:31) your needs fully, but there's going to be times when maybe you're, you know, all fired up, and (16:38) you're doing more, and there's other times that you're honoring your needs. Yeah, yeah, and maybe (16:43) when you have, you know, more time, like you said, you know, to get a couple extra workouts in. I (16:47) mean, twice a day I feel like isn't, you know, realistic for most people.Yeah, you know, but (16:55) yeah, there's times where sure, like you, you know, if you commit to three days a week, and you're (16:59) able to get an extra one in, you know, for a few weeks or whatever. But yeah, you just, I know, (17:06) like part of my journey has been listening to my body more too, right? I'm sure you can probably (17:12) relate to that too, because there's times where I'm just like, I need more yoga, you know, or I (17:18) want to lift some heavy stuff, you know, and honoring what I'm, what I'm feeling in my body (17:25) and being okay with that as well. I think the basics matter.Sometimes we think we need to (17:30) get fancy, and we need to keep adding stuff in, or more, more, more, more. Okay, if we can just eat (17:35) mindfully, in a way, like we like ourselves, and we can lift or do some resistance training a couple (17:41) times a week, more if you can, but a couple times, and then get out and ride your bike, walk, swim, (17:46) whatever's available to you. You're good, like you're doing, you're doing good things.If you (17:51) just keep doing that, you're winning. Yeah, for sure, for sure. How do you see, you know, those (18:00) big, those big life transitions as, you know, as opportunities? And this could be, you know, (18:07) kind of all the stuff you mentioned, including menopause, but how, you know, how can those be (18:15) an opportunity, actually? What I find is when I connect with women that are in a transition, (18:21) and then they recognize it, or maybe they don't call it a transition, but they're going through a (18:25) change or an upheaval of some kind, it's an opportunity to stop tolerating what you've (18:32) been tolerating.So, for example, maybe you've been losing yourself in a relationship for the (18:38) last 15 years, not advocating for yourself, or there's been, you know, a lack of boundaries, or (18:43) not expressing your needs, or neglecting your priority, whatever it is. I find if you go through (18:49) a big transition, it just kind of punches you in the face a little bit. It's like, (18:55) I'm not prepared to continue this way.So, that is one opportunity, like this golden opportunity, (19:02) to actually become the authentic version of you, not the person you were 15 years ago. She's gone. (19:08) She's a part of you, but you're not her.You're going to expand into a new version, (19:12) and write a new chapter. And so, obviously, honoring the healing process involved with the (19:19) transition, but you're having the opportunity to let go of the confines and the structures (19:27) that you were contained in to keep you safe, okay, familiar, whatever it was, and (19:36) write this glorious new chapter of this beautiful version of you that you're becoming. (19:42) Love that.And how do you see, you know, some of those past traumas can affect, (19:47) you know, can affect these transitions? They affect everything, and sometimes it's (19:54) bigger things. Quite often, when I connect with women, there are bigger things that have come up (20:00) almost unspeakable at times, and I'm here for it because we want that out of your body. But (20:06) sometimes it's the slow drip that we underestimate, the, I'm not seen, I'm not heard, (20:12) I don't matter, I'm not worthy, I'm not lovable, that was just kind of reinforced in small ways, (20:17) like a leaky faucet.And we don't realize how much that affects our identity now. So, I find that (20:26) getting underneath that and releasing it in an embodied way so that it feels complete, (20:30) and you just kind of go, oh, that burden's lifted off of me, and your eyes open, (20:36) because your brain works differently when it's not being hijacked by trauma. You see (20:43) things differently.The meaning of your experiences changes for you, and that changes you (20:51) seeing opportunities for yourself, you to see your worth. (20:56) Good stuff. (20:58) So, how does bringing gentleness into that actually increase your power and increase (21:05) your healing and help you on that journey? (21:08) Well, I love this.Obviously, the work, the gentle trauma release method, we call it the (21:13) big gentle. Safety is the foundation for healing. And gentleness starts with being safe in your (21:23) body.So, this is about processing and releasing whatever your body's been bracing for, (21:33) but also releasing all judgment and shame attached to any behaviors, patterns, mistakes, (21:40) whatever it was. Loving on that part of you that still exists, it's usually the young version of (21:46) you. Loving on her and inviting her home.So, listening, what does she need? So, if you find (21:54) yourself, for example, quieting your voice, suppressing your needs, not rocking the boat, (22:01) accepting scraps, the little girl is involved somewhere. That's not you. That's not your real (22:07) self.And you might notice and even converse with her, envision that younger version of you. (22:14) Tell her you love her. Tell her she's worthy.Ask her, what does she need? And in some way, (22:21) she's trying to keep you safe, whether she doesn't feel it's safe to be seen, not safe to be heard, (22:26) not lovable. And when we acknowledge those wounded parts of us, they reside within us, (22:33) but they're just like a little fragment. Even if you have an inner bitch, an inner narcissist, (22:39) we all have little fragments.None of us are Paul Vianna. So, we accept love like we would (22:45) our children, right? We don't say, well, you're kind of a pain. So, you know, right? So, we bring (22:51) them all home, love on them, listen to what they are needing, because they're the ones running (22:57) the show when we're not empowered and providing that yourself.So, rather than suppressing, (23:06) pushing through, forcing, white knuckling, uber controlling everything and drive, drive, drive, (23:12) drive, take some time to reconnect to those parts of you that are still trying to help you, (23:21) loving on them and creating space for them and giving them what they need. (23:24) And that in turn is going to be you giving yourself grace. You're so much more powerful (23:29) when you love and accept yourself.You're so much more powerful when you (23:33) listen and tune in to what your body is telling you it needs. (23:38) That's a great perspective. I mean, because so many times I feel like we're told to just, (23:44) you know, suppress it, you know, get rid of it.So, like taking that space to just acknowledge (23:51) what you said, all those parts of you, I think is a really different perspective. (23:56) Yeah. And removing the judgment.So, when I have a woman say, no, for years and years and years, (24:01) I did this, this and this, and it was such a waste. I'm like, well, what if it was, (24:05) what if it made perfect sense? What if you loved and thanked that part of you for keeping you safe? (24:12) And what if you could let her off the hook that she doesn't need to do that anymore, (24:15) because now you're in charge, taking the judgment out of it? (24:22) I mean, I'm kind of a believer of like, everything happens for a reason too. So, it's like, (24:27) you know, well, yeah, like, you know, things that have happened in my past, like, how did I let, (24:33) how did I let that happen? Right? Like, I feel like you think about that, but in the same, (24:38) at the same time, I feel like that happened for a reason.Like you said, that made me who I am (24:42) today. It's a piece of me, you know, and I also got X, Y, and Z, you know, out of it. And I feel (24:49) like that's, yeah, that's important as well.Yeah. And even if you are not there yet, (24:55) if you're not in that place of thinking that, it's valid, right? It's, I like to think you're (25:02) worthy of healing. It's not your fault.And a lot of stuff you did not let happened. (25:09) At that time, you didn't have power. And we need to give ourselves grace for how we respond and (25:16) continue responding when we feel that we don't have power, or agency, or choice, and it's not your (25:21) fault.So, what do you get excited about? You know, there's some words I've heard from women (25:30) over time that come up, and I just love it, especially when they've been downtrodden by life. (25:37) Like right from childhood, it was brutality, or neglect, or chaos, right from the beginning, (25:44) all the way through for years and years. And when I hear her say something like, (25:49) I see my worth, I finally see my worth.I'm like, yay! Or when it's like, I feel powerful, (25:58) right? And we're talking about like a 90-pound woman with rheumatoid arthritis, (26:04) or who's afraid to use her voice, and she's like, I feel powerful. Love that, right? That's what I (26:12) want women to say. I see my worth, and I feel powerful because it changes how they show up (26:17) in their lives.Yeah. And then everything, it kind of ripples back, right, from there. (26:24) When you see your worth, you treat yourself differently, you have different boundaries, (26:30) everything changes.Good stuff. (26:38) Anything else to add? Any other thoughts? Well, I like to kind of remind women to not (26:49) think of themselves as a fix-it project, right? So I know if you have health conditions, (26:56) you have challenges that other people won't necessarily understand. And I like to think of (27:01) having a village of supporters, right? So what's your village? Whether you're going through a (27:06) divorce, whether you have a child with special needs, whether you have a health condition, (27:12) build your village of supporters.So it might be people who understand and get you, (27:17) and you don't have to explain yourself. They just see you as you are and accept and don't (27:21) gaslight you. You don't have to pretend that you're not feeling this way or having this experience.(27:29) And then sometimes things just come across your path as you need them. So it might be a holistic (27:36) practitioner, or another viewpoint, or another piece of the puzzle. So just like an evolving (27:44) thing.And that's what I've had to do with my health too. Because perimenopause was a bit of (27:51) a dumpster fire, right? So it's bringing in the pieces that you need at that time (27:58) and curating your village of supporters. Yeah, build your team, right? Build your support.(28:08) So how can people find you? I'll of course link everything in the show notes as well, (28:13) but how can people find you and connect with you? (28:15) Well, if you're on socials, I'll be under Ramona K. Coaching under Instagram, Facebook, (28:22) YouTube, and LinkedIn is under my name, Ramona Kasselmeyer, and my website, (28:31) ramonakcoaching.com, and gentletraumacoach.com. So the gentletraumacoach.com is more specific to (28:39) the gentle trauma release method. And you do virtual, you work virtually and in person, (28:47) right? Almost all of my work is virtual. Okay.Okay. So I have some clients that come here in (28:53) my small town. But for the most part, my work is all virtual, whether it's fitness, nutrition, or (28:59) coaching.Okay, awesome. Well, thank you so much. Thank you for this conversation.And yeah, (29:08) I really appreciate you being here. Yeah, thank you so much. I've really enjoyed it.It's a (29:12) pleasure. Such a great conversation with Ramona. I will be sure to link everything in the show notes (29:18) if you'd like to connect with her.Now, if you're enjoying the podcast, come join us inside the (29:24) Healthy Over After app. It's where we continue the conversation with community resources, (29:28) recipes, and exclusive content. Plus you'll get one of my freebies just for joining.I also want (29:34) to hear from you. What do you want to hear more about on this podcast? So send me a message with (29:40) a topic, question, or even a guest you'd love to hear from. You can send that directly to me (29:45) on Instagram at healthy underscore ever after 15.I want these conversations to be about what you (29:52) need the most. 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